Your Degree Is Worthless; Collaborate.
Tuesday, September 1st, 2009
I’ve always been a self-motivated learner as well as a free thinker. I was never one to get involved in cliques or social ladders. Despite the fact that I was raised being constantly told that grades were the single most important thing in my life, I could never accept that. So I didn’t. I just did enough to get by.
I didn’t pay attention much in class. I had no reason to. Class was beyond boring. So I’d spend all hours of the night hacking away on my computer, soaking in all I could, and most of the school day sleeping during class when I could get away with it. When there was a test, I’d try my hardest to stay awake, answer the questions as best I could – typically earning a low C in my Honors/AP Classes, and a low B in my “Ordinary” Classes. I found a good balance. Why would I study for 30 hours a week to get better grades when I could get by with 0 hours?
So, I graduated. And I did the next logical thing: I went to college. Ahh, college. The most important decision you could ever make in your life. The time to “make it or break it”. Where every young man goes to be become a man. So I went. While high-school never engaged me, I assumed that courses about career-relevant subjects would interest me in a university setting. I was wrong. I was very, very wrong.
College Life
I studied Plato, Homer, and Socrates, Turing Machines, and Single-State-Automata. I analyzed the progression of American Popular Music from the 1920s to today. I learned how to draw, play the marimba properly, and splatter paint on walls. I attempted jujitsu. Wonderful life experience. But what does any of this have to do with setting the foundation of a career? Nothing. At all. Of course, the higher up you go, the more relevant the courses get to your chosen major. But I didn’t want to wait. Especially when I was paying $20,000 a year for this. It was mostly useless information. The average college education in America costs 9 cents a minute. Every minute. Every day. A complete waste. And I was working 35 hours a week as a graphics design intern, working at odd hours of the night, attempting to pay for all of this. It was impossible, and I was unengaged.
The Plunge
So, after totally losing interest in class or anything related to it, I gave up and dropped out. I didn’t want to get further in debt. So I moved back home, defeated, and tried my hardest to get my life back in order. I got my high-school job back at McDonald’s. I worked harder than I ever have in my life. I didn’t have anything else better to do, so I worked as much as I could all the time. I worked one 65 hour week – but that got old really fast. I was again, unengaged.
Then, one day, I quit McDonanld’s without notice. Not best practice of course, but I didn’t want to spend any more time there. It’s strange what a terrible work environment it is. After a few short weeks, you begin to think there isn’t anything outside those walls. It was clear that it wasn’t getting me anywhere, so I set out with my laptop to try to find something better.
How It All Turned Around
I spent alot of time on some freelance websites, where you bid for odd jobs, usually settling for some ridiculously low amount of money here and there. That didn’t last long. I remembered coming across a guy on Twitter from my hometown, Winchester, Virginia, who was quite into the internet and technology. That’s pretty rare in these parts, so I looked him up. What I found was a local cowork center. I went and checked out the cowork, and what I found blew my mind.
In this little building off the historic old-town walking mall was a room. Inside: the COO of a major internet company, tech consultants, graphic designers, writers, author, bloggers, freelancers, and so much more. I met everyone in and around town. I sat in on think tank lunches. People cared about what I had to say. We collaborated.
Collaboration is Everything.
For the first time in my life, I was meeting interesting people with awesome experience, willing to share and collaborate what they have learned with me. And I did the same. I soaked in endless amounts of information. One simple room full of a few people turned on some switch in me that the education system had failed to do year after year after year: teach me something.
I was finally engaged. Fully engaged.
As soon as I realized that, my entire life changed. I started thriving on my own, getting dozens of clients. Suddenly, I had a life with significantly less stress and worry. No tuition fees! I realized how valuable my skills were and how I didn’t have to be part of the institution if I didn’t want to be. I rose above. I am now a Web Applications Developer at a respectful technology firm. No degree. No debt. Only an open mind. I gain more knowledge and experience in a single workday than I did during my entire college career. I’m in the real world. And I’m loving every minute of it.
In Conclusion
Looking back, I’m comfortable saying that dropping out of college has been the best decision I’ve ever made. If I would have gone through the entire education program, what would I have to show for it? $150,000 in debt, a piece of paper, and four years less of your life. No real experience. No connections. Just a piece of paper. And nothing more.
Please bear these things in mind before you decide to spend $150,000 on a bachelor’s degree in a field you’re not so certain about. Personally, I’d rather spend that money on something that will actually benefit me: like a house.
You've got at least one thing right: competent networking skills >> technical skills when trying to get ahead.
It turns out that one of the primary roles of a university is to provide an environment for collaboration. Surround yourself with peers, in an environment of learning, and collaborate.
It's great that your life worked out, but “your degree is worthless” is only true if you were expecting to just “go through the motions” and get handed a career. Chances are, if you would have engaged yourself at your university with the same passion for life and learning, you could have had the same outcome. Or, barring that, you are at the wrong school. That's what literally all of the institutions for higher education are for, grouping like-minded people in an environment for collaboration.
You made right decision. Degree matters for those who have no skills. And yea! education system has failed. I joined university in thrill to learn something that can change my life. I have learnt many good things but most of the stuff is totally irrelevant to what I want to be. I have lost my focus on studies but can't leave it because of commitment with my family (they pay). I just want to have more choices for courses so that I can filter out what I want to study but this doesn't seem to be possible. Classes are no more fun for me. I get bored and force myself to concentrate on stuff that I may never practice in my entire life. University provides a good working environment but not all universities in a developing country (like mine) so I prefer working at home.
At least in my country, most people (officials) in the university think different than those in the industry that kind of sucks and has impact on how they teach…do you agree with this?
And yea! If universities were that good then Steve Jobs and Bill Gates would have graduated :)
school is about partying on your parents' (and government, in the case of loans) tab. i'm okay with that. except the people and classes are worthless.
I'm glad you found a path that worked for you Ken but I think it's just that, a path that worked for you. Many people need time in higher education to get deprogrammed from the school system that came before. I agree with Travis that a good college course should be teaching you the power of networking, exactly what you learned on your own. Sure you can do the work. I read that an above-average IQ (say 120) will allow you to breeze through college on average grades without trying too hard. But fail to connect to your peers, the best of whom will become movers and shakers in industry eventually and you missed the real opportunity. The whole class of 2010 can't descend on their local cowork center and expect to get the same reception you did but they probably can go to college and get similar opportunities if they view it as a playground and not an expensive treadmill.
Opportunity is priceless, whatever you pay for it.
This type of post needs to be repeated more often. Universities have massive advertising campaigns explaining how their path is a good one.
I love 'studios' and other ways where groups of people can collaborate. Definitely better than sitting in your room, and better than going to a university.
Especially as universities in many places are not covered by the government. Governments who don't provide free education are a failure to their people.
+1 for avoiding the university debt.
+1 for collaborating with people.
Universities are modeled on monastic institutions either way. The teacher stands at the front of the class and delivers you the good word from above. You spend at least four years learning how to jump through hoops this way; absorbing the status quo and disengaged from any “real” work. The worst part is that the volume of content in these first for years have to justify the price and so you end up with a lot of fluff.
It's an unavoidable truth that education in some disciplines requires a hefty dose of book knowledge. You have to get through the wringers and be able to recall facts and imperative knowledge. I wouldn't trust a surgeon who didn't go through these sorts of paces. But a lot of universities force “mandatory” courses. So you may be there to learn to be a surgeon but along the way you'll also be forced to be distracted by social sciences, physics, and what have you.
For the motivated learner however, it's a doggedly slow and painful system.
I've always thought that there should be some sort of organization to provide credibility to polymaths and other self-learners. Fiscal power and a willingness to learn how to regurgitate information on an exam shouldn't be the only way to prove one's intellectual prowess. There are many fields where the same knowledge available to university students is available to the general public. So long as an organization is willing to sponsor me, there should be some way for me to prove my skills and receive the same recognition as any other in my chosen field.
But alas, it's a chicken and egg problem as near as I can tell.
A degree is worth what you make of it both during College as well as after it. By all means it is not necessary in order to be ’successful’in terms of business a.k.a. money. If you have a passion for something by all means don’t go to College and follow your passion being a start-up idea or any idea for that matter. What the author is advocating is that you can actually do so much more by just ‘collaborating’. You can network during your studies as well.I personally benefited tremendously from having a University Education and have had numerous businesses of my own over time. For sure College Education might not be relevant to 90% of the work I do, but it has enriched me as a person.
Between choosing to keep my College memories in my brain or my my money in the bank I would opt for the first!
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I love the way the comments are stacking up on this entry. I wonder how many of the responses are directly influenced by personal experience?
There is certainly a concession to be made here to the value of networking, and of the role university experience plays in creating opportunities for networking. And to those who can afford the cost of access to university life by a means that doesn't limit social time, they are limited only by their social talents and chance. So, if one went through the trouble and expense of getting a degree, and the process landed one in stable employment, then the degree one earned certainly has some implicit value greater than the paper it's printed on. But so that there's no confusion, the idea that university education should be pursued purely for the opportunity to build relationships is just that: an idea. There are lots of other good ideas out there.
Like Kenneth, I had similar experiences in formal education. I was unengaged, but at the time I wouldn't have described it as such. I was just bored. And like Kenneth, I sought to combat my boredom by teaching myself everything that has made me successful professionally (except for my social skills, which I owe to a really great mentor). When I did decide to go to college, it was because my personal life was in the tank and I wanted to try something I had never tried before. But at 25, starting from scratch in education held much less promise than focusing my passion on developing my professional skills.
I think it is important that we be critical of our institutions of higher learning. They are not today what they were when they were created, and what they are is not better than what they were. While I think we must admit that there are professions that are married to the university experience – medicine, law, and the major sciences – there are many more that are merely bedfellows (any Harvard MBAs out there?).
At the same time, I don't think we can demand efficiency or effectiveness from an institution as large as the modern university, because they are monolithic and bureaucratic. University education teaches patterns of thought, not learning. Learning is rarely taught, perhaps because it is a skill that varies greatly in application from person to person. But it is the skill of learning – the capacity to ingest and assimilate new information – that our young people desperately need.
Above all else, the most damaging pattern in our modern system of education is the one that explicitly ties material prosperity to systematic education: “Those who go to college earn on average X more than those who do not.” I don't think there exists a more depressing way to stimulate a young mind than to make materialism more important than learning or even education itself.
If the purpose of life is the pursuit of happiness, why base happiness (success) on the acquisition of something like material possession – an illusion, if ever there were one?
Ken, despite all your arguments presented here, I still think you were just being lazy! It's naive to think that you can reach your full potential through only school or only first-hand experience. I firmly believe that it takes a combination of the two to really reveal what you (and your tools) are truly capable of.
I agree that college degrees are becoming obsolete now. In fact in a digital world it is very possible to learn on your own, and show proof of knowledge through a digital portfolio (blogs, open source projects, forum participation, etc).
The Internet also makes it possible for people to collaborate with peers worldwide. But being co-located can sometimes be a far richer experience in collaboration, so it's nice that you were able to find a coworking place.
I am increasingly seeing these type of articles come up on the Internet, so thanks for posting your experience. I think every such post will add up over time and either render the education system obsolete, or force universities to re-engineer the way they teach, thus making them more useful. Either ways, it should be a change for the better.
Degrees are not for everyone but, for the majority of students who do not have a passion for their field or are not self-motivated enough to learn on their own, they still have a value. People with degrees have at least a four year history of demonstrating that they can do what it takes to reach a goal even though it may not always be exciting or even interesting. This fits well with the needs of big business and governments where many, many people are needed to get work done even though it may not always be exciting or even interesting. Universities are not what they used to be but they still supply a lot of trained people to a lot of big organizations.
They couldn't be more essential.
I like your prospective, but I must point out that all throughout high-school you are told, as Aaron said:
Those who go to college earn on average X more than those who do not.”
Nothing of these other concepts is ever touched once.
Perhaps it was the University I attended. (George Mason University). :P
How accessible are school in your country, Umair? And (relatively), how much is tuition?
Mine came out of my own pocket :P
But yes, I see what you're saying. If it's being handed to you on a platter (for free), then you have nothing to loose really. Except four years of your life doing other things.
That can be said about alot of things though.
Re: Governments who don't provide free education are a failure to their people.
The US Government does cover education up to the 12th grade. At what point do you believe it should stop being free?
Revolutionary ever? :P
I think that it's going to take a lot more than blog posts, but I like that the overall attitude of the community has been ashift lately. Unfortunately, the people who have say in such matters often don't spend much time on the internet, and therefore my voice (and others like me) will most likely be forever unheard.
Unless someone channels these efforts of course.
But hey, at least I'm not SUING my university.
You make a great point, Carl. Institutions serve institutions quite well.
Perhaps the reason college is pushed so much by today's public schools because all faculty members of said schools are part of the educational institution. If they were sucessful within it, and they don't challenge it, then it would make sense for them to push it on to their students. They like the system that's currently in place (at least it's likely).
Perhaps we need more unaccredited teachers to introduce some intellectual diversity into schools?
At least in a seminar fashion – it could work
A comment about statements like “University graduates earn an average of X% more than non-graduates”. While I believe there is potential value in university education one shouldn't assume a causal relationship. Maybe if you took the college intake and instead put them into industry they would still end up in higher-paying jobs by virtue of their above-average talent / intelligence / family networks.
I fully agree. But that's the message that schools systems send to
today's youth. word for word.
It is great that it all worked out for you. Obviously you are an individual for whom the regular educational channels were inadequate and inappropriate. Often this happens to the least and most talented of people, as they are on the extremes. It is truly great that you are happy and successful.
Yet one thing that you still need to learn however is that people are different. This is something you still do not full understand it seems. You were different and did not fit in, yet your advice now is that everyone should do what you did – because that is how everyone works right?.
It could very well be that following your advice would cause a lot of people to be miserable. Rather than telling others that their effort is worthless (most certainly not true) you should find the positive in your experience, tell others what worked for you, why that worked and how to get there if they share similar experiences – but don't be judgmental, especially not in a generalized manner, that only shows that you still have to learn a lot.
I'm sure that's part of it but I think it's also a matter of playing the odds. Having a degree just increases your odds of finding a career that's right for you. My degree has served me quite well. I'm happy with what I do and I get paid well to do it. It is not what college “trained” me for but I would have never been able to get into my carrer without a degree. I work in an industry where credentials are important: Those without degrees close themselves off from some industries and some jobs. It might be right or it might not be logical but that's the way it is. A degree might not matter to you now but whose to say where your interests will be 20 years from now.
I agree with this. What is a degree? It's a shorthand way of saying that someone is capable of doing a certain quality of work, or achieving a certain degree of learning. Smaller companies have the time and sometimes the inclination to see people as individuals and to assess them individually. What do you do if you are IBM and you get 1,000 applicants for a position. You have to choose a qualification level just to make selection practical. Thus universities and degree qualifications are part of the mainstream system. You can do fine outside of that system but without a good network or reputation some opportunities will be closed to you.
I have one friend at least who is brilliant but never completed his university education. He has done fine but I know that sometimes he regrets not spending a couple more years in his youth to complete his “pointless” education, just for the expanded opportunities it would bring him.
High School education standard and quality varies from pathetic to superb for different schools and areas, For poor people, schools don't offer high quality education but an individual's effort can take him/her far. We even have one the best schools in Asia but not everyone can afford them. Universities are highly accessible but expensive as compared to what an average family earns. Only few universities are as per world's high class standard but those with average standard are not that bad and are continuously improving . In my country, we have family system as a tradition that means not everyone in the house has to do job if the head earns enough. Most women don't do jobs or adapt professional life not because it’s considered wrong (good jobs for women are highly appreciated) but traditionally they are cultured to get married and depend on the husband. So for a family with sole earner, who is usually the father in the family, it's difficult to afford university for all of his family members if he doesn’t earn enough. Only 2 of my class mates (out of 40) do job to pay for the university and I hardly know anyone else who affords the university by his/her own earnings. Even my father pays for my university that is just about $750 per semester . It's absolutely not expensive as compared to international universities but as he has to run the whole family, we have strict budget. I do earn from my blog and other development stuff but it’s not necessary for me to pay for university as my parents have taken the responsibility of my studies. Due to affordability and good education standard (for some departments), many students from Middle East consider studying in Pakistan.
There are only few people who do any job to afford an engineering university in my country because we have very strict rules of attendance and restricted course road map that makes very hard to do job beside studies for more than 4 hours everyday. In short, condition is almost exactly same as it's in India
my degree isn't worthless. you don't get accepted for PhD programs for advanced scientific research by dropping out before you finish your bachelor's.
but this is what works for me and my desired career path. to each their own, but to make a blanket statement that your degree is worthless isn't going to help anyone. collaboration is what university/com.college fosters by putting people in discussion groups and lab groups so they can share their ideas and learn from others. although it's not black and white if you have __ amount of years in college you will make ___ amount of $$, those with a degree in anything will be preferred for most positions as well as for advancement. you can get a job doing whatever without a degree, but they're going to probably choose mr. joe with a B.A. over mr. bob w/ 1 year of college/crap GPA for that upper level promotion. of course with anything there will be exceptions though if you are working with a smaller company or a retail store where you know the people.
if college didn't work for you but you succeeded, excellent, but it does work for a lot of people. i've known many people who are in their 30s who go back to school to get a degree because they had no opportunity for advancement and regret not doing it sooner. think about these economic times, a lot of people with degrees are looking for jobs, do you think that if you get 20 apps from educated people and 10 from those who are not that they'll settle? no they want the best of the best, and holding a degree shows you have to discipline and ambition to do the work it required.
my degree isn't worthless. you don't get accepted for PhD programs for advanced scientific research by dropping out before you finish your bachelor's.
but this is what works for me and my desired career path. to each their own, but to make a blanket statement that your degree is worthless isn't going to help anyone. collaboration is what university/com.college fosters by putting people in discussion groups and lab groups so they can share their ideas and learn from others. although it's not black and white if you have __ amount of years in college you will make ___ amount of $$, those with a degree in anything will be preferred for most positions as well as for advancement. you can get a job doing whatever without a degree, but they're going to probably choose mr. joe with a B.A. over mr. bob w/ 1 year of college/crap GPA for that upper level promotion. of course with anything there will be exceptions though if you are working with a smaller company or a retail store where you know the people.
if college didn't work for you but you succeeded, excellent, but it does work for a lot of people. i've known many people who are in their 30s who go back to school to get a degree because they had no opportunity for advancement and regret not doing it sooner. think about these economic times, a lot of people with degrees are looking for jobs, do you think that if you get 20 apps from educated people and 10 from those who are not that they'll settle? no they want the best of the best, and holding a degree shows you have to discipline and ambition to do the work it required.
i did the same thing with high school; i dropped out and got a job at the school district's it department. it was very much more educational than anything i would have been doing in school.
unfortunately i made the mistake of thinking college would be different, and here i am, a sophomore, studying either mostly useless stuff, or stuff i already knew. man, i'm an idiot :P
So what's the plan from here on out?
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